diff --git a/src/driver/controller-client-common/index.js b/src/driver/controller-client-common/index.js
index db251c3..7d48b88 100644
--- a/src/driver/controller-client-common/index.js
+++ b/src/driver/controller-client-common/index.js
@@ -228,6 +228,12 @@ class ControllerClientCommonDriver extends CsiBaseDriver {
     return this.getControllerSnapshotBasePath() + "/" + snapshot_id;
   }
 
+  async getDirectoryUsage(path) {
+    let result = await this.exec("du", ["-s", "--block-size=1", path]);
+    let size = result.stdout.split("\t", 1)[0];
+    return size;
+  }
+
   exec(command, args, options = {}) {
     args = args || [];
 
@@ -664,13 +670,14 @@ class ControllerClientCommonDriver extends CsiBaseDriver {
       await driver.cloneDir(volume_path, snapshot_path);
     }
 
+    let size_bytes = await driver.getDirectoryUsage(snapshot_path);
     return {
       snapshot: {
         /**
          * The purpose of this field is to give CO guidance on how much space
          * is needed to create a volume from this snapshot.
          */
-        //size_bytes: 0,
+        size_bytes,
         snapshot_id,
         source_volume_id: source_volume_id,
         //https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf/blob/master/src/google/protobuf/timestamp.proto
diff --git a/src/driver/controller-synology/index.js b/src/driver/controller-synology/index.js
index a06736c..5234958 100644
--- a/src/driver/controller-synology/index.js
+++ b/src/driver/controller-synology/index.js
@@ -830,7 +830,7 @@ class ControllerSynologyDriver extends CsiBaseDriver {
         `invalid source_volume_id: ${source_volume_id}`
       );
     }
-    
+
     // check for other snapshopts with the same name on other volumes and fail as appropriate
     // TODO: technically this should only be checking lun/snapshots relevant to this specific install of the driver
     // but alas an isolation/namespacing mechanism does not exist in synology
@@ -845,47 +845,35 @@ class ControllerSynologyDriver extends CsiBaseDriver {
     }
 
     // check for already exists
-    let snapshot = await httpClient.GetSnapshotByLunIDAndName(lun.lun_id, name);
-    if (snapshot) {
-      return {
-        snapshot: {
-          /**
-           * The purpose of this field is to give CO guidance on how much space
-           * is needed to create a volume from this snapshot.
-           */
-          //size_bytes: 0,
-          snapshot_id: `/lun/${lun.lun_id}/${snapshot.uuid}`, // add shanpshot_uuid //fixme
-          source_volume_id: source_volume_id,
-          //https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf/blob/master/src/google/protobuf/timestamp.proto
-          creation_time: {
-            seconds: snapshot.time,
-            nanos: 0,
-          },
-          ready_to_use: true,
-        },
-      };
+    let snapshot;
+    snapshot = await httpClient.GetSnapshotByLunIDAndName(lun.lun_id, name);
+    if (!snapshot) {
+      let data = Object.assign({}, driver.options.iscsi.lunSnapshotTemplate, {
+        src_lun_uuid: lun.uuid,
+        taken_by: "democratic-csi",
+        description: name, //check
+      });
+
+      await httpClient.CreateSnapshot(data);
+      snapshot = await httpClient.GetSnapshotByLunIDAndName(lun.lun_id, name);
+
+      if (!snapshot) {
+        throw new Error(`failed to create snapshot`);
+      }
     }
 
-    let data = Object.assign({}, driver.options.iscsi.lunSnapshotTemplate, {
-      src_lun_uuid: lun.uuid,
-      taken_by: "democratic-csi",
-      description: name, //check
-    });
-
-    let response = await httpClient.CreateSnapshot(data);
-
     return {
       snapshot: {
         /**
          * The purpose of this field is to give CO guidance on how much space
          * is needed to create a volume from this snapshot.
          */
-        //size_bytes: 0,
-        snapshot_id: `/lun/${lun.lun_id}/${response.body.data.snapshot_uuid}`,
+        size_bytes: snapshot.total_size,
+        snapshot_id: `/lun/${lun.lun_id}/${snapshot.uuid}`, // add shanpshot_uuid //fixme
         source_volume_id: source_volume_id,
         //https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf/blob/master/src/google/protobuf/timestamp.proto
         creation_time: {
-          seconds: Math.round(new Date().getTime() / 1000),
+          seconds: snapshot.time,
           nanos: 0,
         },
         ready_to_use: true,
diff --git a/src/driver/controller-zfs-ssh/index.js b/src/driver/controller-zfs-ssh/index.js
index e74144a..7764887 100644
--- a/src/driver/controller-zfs-ssh/index.js
+++ b/src/driver/controller-zfs-ssh/index.js
@@ -2162,6 +2162,8 @@ class ControllerZfsSshBaseDriver extends CsiBaseDriver {
       }
     }
 
+    // TODO: let things settle to ensure proper size_bytes is reported
+    // sysctl -d vfs.zfs.txg.timeout  # vfs.zfs.txg.timeout: Max seconds worth of delta per txg
     let properties;
     properties = await zb.zfs.get(
       fullSnapshotName,
diff --git a/src/driver/freenas/api.js b/src/driver/freenas/api.js
index e5a5a28..5fd4c95 100644
--- a/src/driver/freenas/api.js
+++ b/src/driver/freenas/api.js
@@ -3939,6 +3939,8 @@ class FreeNASApiDriver extends CsiBaseDriver {
       MANAGED_PROPERTY_NAME,
     ];
 
+    // TODO: let things settle to ensure proper size_bytes is reported
+    // sysctl -d vfs.zfs.txg.timeout  # vfs.zfs.txg.timeout: Max seconds worth of delta per txg
     if (detachedSnapshot) {
       properties = await httpApiClient.DatasetGet(
         fullSnapshotName,